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Postato da Croat, 08.05.2015 - 19:27
Befoooore all, please, especially you moderators, dont feel hailed in negative way about this theme.

As community, we are here to talk about all kind of things, stuff and everything to improve this game, right?
But, there is one theme which is, I would say untouchable. We never openly talked about Mod squad, team or however.
I mean, not talking by pointing at one certain Mod from sqad and take out our opinions about him, but about Mod squad in global.

We all had and will have some 'argues' with certain mod when we feel withholded about something. I also had that with certain mod, but it just flew away, all comes back on old stories and gg...
Some mods are more likely to the community, some less, same as players.
We often forgot mods are players too, right?

Yes, sentence 'mods are players too' is the base of this topic.




You probably ask yourself now what the hell is wrong with this Croat.......
But, Croat wanted to take out something that has been raised and talked about so many times, but we never found even trail of changes.
Mod squad is made of people who deserved admins faith by many things (I wont point them out again because it is answered in many forums)
and they are players who are trying to keep community healthy and improve the game at all.
High percentage of them are older players, who were going through the things we are going today. They surely lost all the starting inspiration and in one hand started to be bored of this game, maybe some of them are even sicken of those moves, tbs, capping, recapping, etc...
So, they are players who went pretty inactive even with moderator role (not all).

On the other hand, there are plenty of active players who are giving a lot of effort for improving this game too and who will like to switch some moderator one day.





I have to write again before I open my last questions, now with big letters, THERE IS NO SINGLE WORD AGAINST ANY MOD AND AGAINST WORK OF ANY MOD, please understand.

So, I quoted above words of certain mod: 'mods are giving their best for keeping community healthy'

What is true.
Now, Croatian princess is asking you:
Will it be better for keeping healthy community if there are inactive players who come online from time to time
or
if there are active players, who are breathing with this game everyday and who have already give much effort for improving the game and keeping healthy community (as much as they could) ?

As conclusion, I wanted to ask all of you (admins, mods, supporters, rest of players):
- What you think about rejuvenation of mod squad?

Several mods, who really have small dose of self-criticism and feel they cannot do that much for the community as they could before when they were more active, should voluntarily (yes, voluntarily, I dont want you to feel like this is some revolution lol) go in deservedly mod retire
and several players, who are active, who are here every single day, who feel the breath of the community, who helped a lot, who are trying more and more for the game, should take their places.

OR

Only to add several active players (who are blablabla again) to the Mod squad. Just an expansion of mod squad.
Some kind of refreshing current mod squad with several active players.




Please discuss what you think about this.
Please, dont again come on theme - Mods abuse their powers, just dont do that.
Act like gently community

Thanks
13.05.2015 - 18:08
I will touch again this.

We were talking about some healthy community (certain mod words), right?

Well, last days I saw the most unhealthy community ever since I logged in this game for 1st time, really...
I was a witness of all these things that happened and all of them could be stopped on time and others could be solved in a more proper way (if we are still talking about keeping healthy community).
Again, no bad words about anyone, just open talk.

Firstly, that Unknown Gamer hacker about whom me and Eagle talked too much, making threads and reporting (also Laochra saw weird things about him before), honestly, it could be stopped on time.
I wont say nodoby cared, all were met with my thread about him, but I will say that nothing was done.
Now you see we were right. Now you see the consenquences of what he did (especially ruined mine and Eagle's elo becuase it cannot be given back or ignored that easilly cuz all Elo is connected with other matches)
Yes, it is better to prevent than heal it later, but you didnt prevent and you were healing the things too late this time.
Healing always comes after something being hurted and that something was in the community. I want to say, this time community wasnt being kept healthy as it was said in certain mod's words from above.

Secondly, we all saw those brutal punishments.
Okay, the dust was risen about duelling of certain players, they tried to defend themselves (I wont say they are right neither wrong). I am for punishing farming and all what is against rules, but I am not for someones acting like boss to the others here, we are not anyones slaves.
I think we evoluted enough to have an open talk here in forums and in private.
I think we evoluted enough to understand this is virtual game, not someones dreams about being god becoming truth.
Every breaking rules is causing its punishment. But PROPER punishment, not sadism on someone.
No, deleting someones 4 year effort, time, games, Elo, history and pride is not keeping healthy community.
This time, you didnt prevent, but you were healing on a wrong way which caused many risen dust on forums, in some way you insulted a player(s) who spent more money on this game (I am mentionig that it was donated especially for buying premiums and helping newbies stay and enjoy in this game) than others together.

Thirdly, really, I swear on life, I heard from several influental players that they will just leave this if things are not going to change, especially because 'taking care'. I wont name them.
Again proving that something in community is not being healthy.

Furthermore, RP players still insulting each other through forums, having open flame war, abusing global (I have proves) with insults on each other and no one mod saw that because no one mod was online. Which means, there are timezones which lacks an eye of a mod.
I dont say they have to be online all the time, but abnormally giant abusing is happening every single day.
(I will mention again that I was muted on 4320 minutes for sharing ss related to AtWar on global, which didnt have insults, acusses or anything bad)

Also, I am trying to stop abusing in Help channel but I just cannot, same as others who are trying.
I am reporting same fcking players every single day for abusing help channel and they are still able to abuse it next day...

Lastly, it all affected on active players. I mean all those things which are killing thst famous health of our community.
Top clans are not cwing or rarely cwing these days.
Cosa Nostra last time CWed before 5 days, Mortal Kombat before 4 days, Illyria before 3 i think, Syndicate before 5 days...
Bla

Really, I want only not to forget this topic, which is made for better of all of us. Dont let this game lose its soul and than we will all regret why we let that happen.
And start acting like normal people.
As Ferr said in his really bad thread about mods, but I like that one sentence:
- We should (now I talk in the name of all players, not only mods) start behaving like friends who enjoy in same game not like death enemies.


We should really start caring more about each other and it will mirror in same way on the health of community and the game !
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13.05.2015 - 18:18
*evolved

Keep in mind Croat, this game has always fed on drama, wars and chaos. This is not like other games. And all these things keep the atmosphere heated, so players find interest to login again. Since the game has stoped all updates quite some time ago, these things are actually vital to the games survival.

Whiners and complainers and butthurters and villains, will always exist and people threatening to leave, or actually leaving, also. I myself did this same thing. I made a mega thread complaining like a bitch and ragequited atwar, at the highest peak of my skill, nonetheless. No biggie, atwar survived without me and i came back after 6 months or so.

My point is, its a matter of perception. What you are considering unhealthy, might actually be very normal for our unique, colourfull and loving community.
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13.05.2015 - 18:20
Scritto da Khal.eesi, 13.05.2015 at 18:18

I myself did this same thing. I made a mega thread complaining like a bitch and ragequited atwar

Please give links to that topic
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13.05.2015 - 18:22
Scritto da Khal.eesi, 13.05.2015 at 18:18

*evolved



Thanks, appreciate your correcting

Yes, I understand you. Sometimes I like those 'argues' about games, cws and other. Keeping us being loyal and fighting for our clan, mate, or other.
But those ones last days are not healthy argues that are keeping the game up.
I mentioned, several players said this was above all the limits. And I do agree with them im one hand. I mean, I understand them.
I clearly understand you and I agree, but try to understand what I am talking about, its a little bit different to yours.
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13.05.2015 - 18:37
Scritto da Goblin, 13.05.2015 at 18:20

Scritto da Khal.eesi, 13.05.2015 at 18:18

I myself did this same thing. I made a mega thread complaining like a bitch and ragequited atwar

Please give links to that topic



it started here http://atwar-game.com/forum/topic.php?topic_id=10012&topicsearch=&page=1 and was continued to other threads which im bored to find now. It got amok and ivan attention and i left shortly after :p I was not a troll then, atwar made me a troll!


Scritto da Croat, 13.05.2015 at 18:22


Thanks, appreciate your correcting

Yes, I understand you. Sometimes I like those 'argues' about games, cws and other. Keeping us being loyal and fighting for our clan, mate, or other.
But those ones last days are not healthy argues that are keeping the game up.
I mentioned, several players said this was above all the limits. And I do agree with them im one hand. I mean, I understand them.
I clearly understand you and I agree, but try to understand what I am talking about, its a little bit different to yours.


yw yes offcourse its not the same, im just putting my example on par with the people threatening to leave. This is a common phenomenon, some do leave and never come back, others come back (like me) and others never actually leave.

I missed this drama, that took place these last days.Sad. i do believe though, that even after all that happened, atwar will return to normal soon.
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13.05.2015 - 18:44
Scritto da Khal.eesi, 13.05.2015 at 18:37

I was not a troll then, atwar made me a troll!

Of course ...i use to be the nicest guy in AW too
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13.05.2015 - 19:53
Scritto da Goblin, 13.05.2015 at 18:44

Scritto da Khal.eesi, 13.05.2015 at 18:37

I was not a troll then, atwar made me a troll!

Of course ...i use to be the nicest guy in AW too

lol the drama... pls, tell me all about your childhood and AW traumas, maybe I can help turn you guys back into the nice little angels your were
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06.04.2016 - 22:55
KingJim
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06.04.2016 - 23:52
Scritto da Google, 13.05.2015 at 17:29

2. RaulPB. Great guy, always positive, and understands the game. This guy is very moral, so full support to Raul!

RaulPB for moderator! I fully approve of this.
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07.04.2016 - 00:15
Nice bump.

Doesn't matter how much new mods they add - the result will always be the same.



" Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." - Albert Einstein

Perhaps we can start applying long-lasting solutions on the matter.
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08.04.2016 - 08:37
Scritto da clovis1122, 07.04.2016 at 00:15

Perhaps we can start applying long-lasting solutions on the matter.

Like...
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08.04.2016 - 08:56
Scritto da Columna Durruti, 08.04.2016 at 08:37

Scritto da clovis1122, 07.04.2016 at 00:15

Perhaps we can start applying long-lasting solutions on the matter.

Like...


I could suggest some but I'm sure that some of the mods already have a big list of theses. Problem only being admin's unavailability of time to implement them as far as I know.

I had suggested before to prioritize Timezone in the election of a new mod but the proposal got rejected. Oh well...

I've noticed that you can't repeat the same message twice in several games like lichess, by the way. Small changes like those could cut the spam greatly.
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08.04.2016 - 10:27
Wasnt aware of all the discontent
Ace's post says it all. some quick idea's

- Mods position must be max 24 months, and reviewed after this period
- Make a Mod-only-clan and the bullshit between them stops.

its all understandable were playing this war game wich brings out the lill dictator in all of us
its very copetitive and theres alot of hate. this all shows that theres not good moderating in lobby.

like Ace said :
"Furthermore, RP players still insulting each other through forums, having open flame war, abusing global (I have proves) with insults on each other and no one mod saw that because no one mod was online.
Which means, there are timezones which lacks an eye of a mod.
I dont say they have to be online all the time, but abnormally giant abusing is happening every single day."

maybe more visibility and a friendlier approach can help our community
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08.04.2016 - 13:36
Scritto da Ketamine, 08.04.2016 at 10:27

Wasnt aware of all the discontent
Ace's post says it all. some quick idea's

- Mods position must be max 24 months, and reviewed after this period
- Make a Mod-only-clan and the bullshit between them stops.

its all understandable were playing this war game wich brings out the lill dictator in all of us
its very copetitive and theres alot of hate. this all shows that theres not good moderating in lobby.

like Ace said :
"Furthermore, RP players still insulting each other through forums, having open flame war, abusing global (I have proves) with insults on each other and no one mod saw that because no one mod was online.
Which means, there are timezones which lacks an eye of a mod.
I dont say they have to be online all the time, but abnormally giant abusing is happening every single day."

maybe more visibility and a friendlier approach can help our community



This situation is laughable to some extent, because it could be sorted out in an easy, pragmatic way.

Like Rogue One said:

The Creation of a fully Mod-only clan, that would cut the bullshit and would serve as their lil' Mod Council, where they can actually discuss some matters as a whole Mod Team, and reduce the animosity between them

Establishing a Mod's Position Term of 24months, that can be renewed endlessly after each review by either a) the remaining of the Mod team, b) the Admin(s).


I also defend, like other said, we take into account preferably the timezone (thus, availability) of some players, to be eligible to mods, and not just their hard work on the community (that should also be a factor to take into account).


We need to have mods 24/7 in a general way, and we should of course tolerate a 'gap' between online mods (by this I mean, a small period of time when there isnt any mod online) and that gap should be of between 5 minutes to 65 minutes.
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09.04.2016 - 03:44
KingJim
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Scritto da Ketamine, 08.04.2016 at 10:27

Wasnt aware of all the discontent
Ace's post says it all. some quick idea's

- Mods position must be max 24 months, and reviewed after this period
- Make a Mod-only-clan and the bullshit between them stops.

its all understandable were playing this war game wich brings out the lill dictator in all of us
its very copetitive and theres alot of hate. this all shows that theres not good moderating in lobby.

like Ace said :
"Furthermore, RP players still insulting each other through forums, having open flame war, abusing global (I have proves) with insults on each other and no one mod saw that because no one mod was online.
Which means, there are timezones which lacks an eye of a mod.
I dont say they have to be online all the time, but abnormally giant abusing is happening every single day."

maybe more visibility and a friendlier approach can help our community

Some mods chose not to do anything about it , because he/she doesn't care lol.. just like this one mod








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