Economic system

(German) Social market economy &. (Chinese)Socialist market economy vs. (US&UK)Laissez-faire economy

Which is better?

Fascism (minus the racism and ethnic cleansing)

Scritto da Phoenix, 01.08.2016 at 12:46

Fascism (minus the racism and ethnic cleansing)

Fascism is political ideology, not economic system :/

Scritto da Skanderbeg, 01.08.2016 at 13:37

Scritto da Phoenix, 01.08.2016 at 12:46

Fascism (minus the racism and ethnic cleansing)

Fascism is political ideology, not economic system :/

Fascist centralised economy

(French)mixed economic system?
A mixed economy features the characteristics of both capitalism and socialism, making it less brutal than total capitalism but more efficient than socialism.

Scritto da Skanderbeg, 01.08.2016 at 13:37

Scritto da Phoenix, 01.08.2016 at 12:46

Fascism (minus the racism and ethnic cleansing)

Fascism is political ideology, not economic system :/

The nation-state should be the worker's union, corporations are not allowed to sell goods that hurt social cohesion.

Scritto da Skanderbeg, 01.08.2016 at 12:33

(Chinese) Socialist market economy

Big words with no RL content.
Probably most "laisser faire" economy that ever existed, at least for the (Party/Economic) Elite.

Scandinavian "socialism" is best!

Scritto da Tundy, 01.08.2016 at 20:44

...corporations are not allowed to sell goods that hurt social cohesion.

Like Trump biographies?

Scritto da Columna Durruti, 02.08.2016 at 03:51

Scritto da Tundy, 01.08.2016 at 20:44

...corporations are not allowed to sell goods that hurt social cohesion.

Like Trump biographies?

Your one liners.. I can't even

It would mean stuff like no smoking, Mcdonalds cant advertise, controlled alcohol consumption, and huge incentives and investment in healthcare and health/fitness programs that would be mandatory for all citizens... Its super dickhead move stuff but it would actually improve peoples lives

Scritto da Phoenix, 02.08.2016 at 05:10

Scritto da Columna Durruti, 02.08.2016 at 03:51

Scritto da Tundy, 01.08.2016 at 20:44

...corporations are not allowed to sell goods that hurt social cohesion.

Like Trump biographies?

it would actually improve peoples lives

Which means it'll never happen

Scritto da Phoenix, 02.08.2016 at 05:10

Scritto da Columna Durruti, 02.08.2016 at 03:51

Scritto da Tundy, 01.08.2016 at 20:44

...corporations are not allowed to sell goods that hurt social cohesion.

Like Trump biographies?

Your one liners.. I can't even

It would mean stuff like no smoking, Mcdonalds cant advertise, controlled alcohol consumption, and huge incentives and investment in healthcare and health/fitness programs that would be mandatory for all citizens... Its super dickhead move stuff but it would actually improve peoples lives

BTW, some informations that probably most of community doesn't know:
In middle of war Nazi Germany released some cure for nicotine addiction called "heroin",you could buy it in pharmacy without any problem xD

Scritto da Oleg, 02.08.2016 at 08:00

Scritto da Phoenix, 02.08.2016 at 05:10

Scritto da Columna Durruti, 02.08.2016 at 03:51

Scritto da Tundy, 01.08.2016 at 20:44

...corporations are not allowed to sell goods that hurt social cohesion.

Like Trump biographies?

Your one liners.. I can't even

It would mean stuff like no smoking, Mcdonalds cant advertise, controlled alcohol consumption, and huge incentives and investment in healthcare and health/fitness programs that would be mandatory for all citizens... Its super dickhead move stuff but it would actually improve peoples lives

BTW, some informations that probably most of community doesn't know:
In middle of war Nazi Germany released some cure for nicotine addiction called "heroin",you could buy it in pharmacy without any problem xD

Except we've come a long way since then...

We wouldn't do that kind of shit now.

In all seriousness if a fascist regime could exist without hatred, racism, exploitative government and such it could provide for its people, tackle terrorism, restrict malpracticing businesses and banks and propel its people forward so much more effectively than any western government now.

The problem is the taboo surrounding the name and the political history surrounding it.. Even calling something socialist is scary to so many people.

Scritto da Phoenix, 02.08.2016 at 08:05

Except we've come a long way since then...

We wouldn't do that kind of shit now.

In all seriousness if a fascist regime could exist without hatred, racism, exploitative government and such it could provide for its people, tackle terrorism, restrict malpracticing businesses and banks and propel its people forward so much more effectively than any western government now.

The problem is the taboo surrounding the name and the political history surrounding it.. Even calling something socialist is scary to so many people.

lol, fascism without without hatred, racism, exploitative government xD
Are you seriously fascist btw?

Scritto da Oleg, 02.08.2016 at 08:52

Scritto da Phoenix, 02.08.2016 at 08:05

Except we've come a long way since then...

We wouldn't do that kind of shit now.

In all seriousness if a fascist regime could exist without hatred, racism, exploitative government and such it could provide for its people, tackle terrorism, restrict malpracticing businesses and banks and propel its people forward so much more effectively than any western government now.

The problem is the taboo surrounding the name and the political history surrounding it.. Even calling something socialist is scary to so many people.

lol, fascism without without hatred, racism, exploitative government xD
Are you seriously fascist btw?

Nah I'd call myself a "nationalist", but not in the sense that I would only look out for white people.

As far as I'm concerned anyone willing to come to the UK to settle here and work and contribute to society is a Brit.... same as the USA when it encouraged migration.

This is why I hate being called a "liberalist" or a "leftie"... I think a government should look out for the people that look to it for support and guidance as best as it can and to do that means taking control of peoples lives so that they in turn can take control of their own

Scritto da Phoenix, 02.08.2016 at 08:58

Nah I'd call myself a "nationalist", but not in the sense that I would only look out for white people.

As far as I'm concerned anyone willing to come to the UK to settle here and work and contribute to society is a Brit.... same as the USA when it encouraged migration.

This is why I hate being called a "liberalist" or a "leftie"... I think a government should look out for the people that look to it for support and guidance as best as it can and to do that means taking control of peoples lives so that they in turn can take control of their own

Man, you are radical....

Scritto da Oleg, 02.08.2016 at 09:05

Scritto da Phoenix, 02.08.2016 at 08:58

Nah I'd call myself a "nationalist", but not in the sense that I would only look out for white people.

As far as I'm concerned anyone willing to come to the UK to settle here and work and contribute to society is a Brit.... same as the USA when it encouraged migration.

This is why I hate being called a "liberalist" or a "leftie"... I think a government should look out for the people that look to it for support and guidance as best as it can and to do that means taking control of peoples lives so that they in turn can take control of their own

Man, you are radical....

I'm radical sure, but I care about all people.

When I say take control of people, I still want them to think for themselves and be free to live and say what they like, if someone is a communist, good for them it shows they care about stuff .. so I am liberal in that sense, but people should be encouraged to make something of themselves, even if its just a good father/mother/husband/wife.

I guess a better definition is "tolerant nationalism"... there's no party out there that provides this, they're either right wing and angry or left wing and naive.

Scritto da Phoenix, 02.08.2016 at 09:43

I'm radical sure, but I care about all people.

When I say take control of people, I still want them to think for themselves and be free to live and say what they like, if someone is a communist, good for them it shows they care about stuff .. so I am liberal in that sense, but people should be encouraged to make something of themselves, even if its just a good father/mother/husband/wife.

I guess a better definition is "tolerant nationalism"... there's no party out there that provides this, they're either right wing and angry or left wing and naive.

so you are commie?

Scritto da Oleg, 02.08.2016 at 09:51

Scritto da Phoenix, 02.08.2016 at 09:43

I'm radical sure, but I care about all people.

When I say take control of people, I still want them to think for themselves and be free to live and say what they like, if someone is a communist, good for them it shows they care about stuff .. so I am liberal in that sense, but people should be encouraged to make something of themselves, even if its just a good father/mother/husband/wife.

I guess a better definition is "tolerant nationalism"... there's no party out there that provides this, they're either right wing and angry or left wing and naive.

so you are commie?

Nah, commies think capital should be shared, I still it should be owned by individuals but those individual business owners should be more responsible for their employees and take care of them.

Scritto da Phoenix, 02.08.2016 at 10:14

Scritto da Oleg, 02.08.2016 at 09:51

Scritto da Phoenix, 02.08.2016 at 09:43

I'm radical sure, but I care about all people.

When I say take control of people, I still want them to think for themselves and be free to live and say what they like, if someone is a communist, good for them it shows they care about stuff .. so I am liberal in that sense, but people should be encouraged to make something of themselves, even if its just a good father/mother/husband/wife.

I guess a better definition is "tolerant nationalism"... there's no party out there that provides this, they're either right wing and angry or left wing and naive.

so you are commie?

Nah, commies think capital should be shared, I still it should be owned by individuals but those individual business owners should be more responsible for their employees and take care of them.

you are commie there is no excuse

Scritto da Phoenix, 01.08.2016 at 14:20

Scritto da Skanderbeg, 01.08.2016 at 13:37

Scritto da Phoenix, 01.08.2016 at 12:46

Fascism (minus the racism and ethnic cleansing)

Fascism is political ideology, not economic system :/

Fascist centralised economy

There is an economic theory promoted by fascists, it is called 'Third Alternative'. Are you talking about it?

'Centralized economy' is vague term. What does it mean? Does it mean capital city restrict provinces and regions to create economies? I can understand 'centralized politics' where Washington as capital city exercise all political power over 50 US states, or 'decentralized politics' where Washington allow 50 states to exercise limited or unlimited political power.

Third Alternative is about Tripartism, so it is not centralized but strictly divided.

Scritto da Phoenix, 02.08.2016 at 08:05

In all seriousness if a fascist regime could exist without hatred, racism, exploitative government and such it could provide for its people, tackle terrorism, restrict malpracticing businesses and banks and propel its people forward so much more effectively than any western government now.

The problem is the taboo surrounding the name and the political history surrounding it.. Even calling something socialist is scary to so many people.

That's a big 'if' because then any ideology and system would work. 'If Communism didn't collectivize economy and fix prices but let workers compete on the market that system would be perfect and more stable than current one'. 'If Capitalism doesn't exploit workers hiring people with problems so they can blackmail them with minimum wage and starts regulating big business and corporations it would be perfect system'.

Communism Ubber alles!

Scritto da Oleg, 02.08.2016 at 09:51

Scritto da Phoenix, 02.08.2016 at 09:43

I'm radical sure, but I care about all people.

When I say take control of people, I still want them to think for themselves and be free to live and say what they like, if someone is a communist, good for them it shows they care about stuff .. so I am liberal in that sense, but people should be encouraged to make something of themselves, even if its just a good father/mother/husband/wife.

I guess a better definition is "tolerant nationalism"... there's no party out there that provides this, they're either right wing and angry or left wing and naive.

so you are commie?

>commie
Do you even know what that word means?

Fascism acknowledges the fundamental issues that gave rise to socialism, but fascism takes a different approach to solve what we may call "savage capitalism".

Scritto da Skanderbeg, 02.08.2016 at 12:33

Scritto da Phoenix, 01.08.2016 at 14:20

Scritto da Skanderbeg, 01.08.2016 at 13:37

Scritto da Phoenix, 01.08.2016 at 12:46

Fascism (minus the racism and ethnic cleansing)

Fascism is political ideology, not economic system :/

Fascist centralised economy

There is an economic theory promoted by fascists, it is called 'Third Alternative'. Are you talking about it?

'Centralized economy' is vague term. What does it mean? Does it mean capital city restrict provinces and regions to create economies? I can understand 'centralized politics' where Washington as capital city exercise all political power over 50 US states, or 'decentralized politics' where Washington allow 50 states to exercise limited or unlimited political power.

Third Alternative is about Tripartism, so it is not centralized but strictly divided.

Scritto da Phoenix, 02.08.2016 at 08:05

In all seriousness if a fascist regime could exist without hatred, racism, exploitative government and such it could provide for its people, tackle terrorism, restrict malpracticing businesses and banks and propel its people forward so much more effectively than any western government now.

The problem is the taboo surrounding the name and the political history surrounding it.. Even calling something socialist is scary to so many people.

That's a big 'if' because then any ideology and system would work. 'If Communism didn't collectivize economy and fix prices but let workers compete on the market that system would be perfect and more stable than current one'. 'If Capitalism doesn't exploit workers hiring people with problems so they can blackmail them with minimum wage and starts regulating big business and corporations it would be perfect system'.

I'm not familiar with the term but I just googled it and it does sound pretty good to me

"Tripartism refers to economic corporatism based on tripartite contracts of business, labour, and state affiliations within the economy. Each is to act as a social partner to create economic policy through cooperation, consultation, negotiation, and compromise."

The basic principle for me is not thinking about the economy in terms of GDP and making any goods possible to make the economy "grow". But to actually identify when a product or business behavior is overall setting society back and cutting down or even removing it entirely.

The fact this definition mentions compromise and social cohesion... this is probably what I was thinking of. It's just a shame it featured alongside genocide and racial hatred/ people thinking they were superior to others.

Edit: by centralized I mean government takes an active roll in controlling the economy through politics, not in a way that would hinder business, but in a way that says "this product is bad, you cant make it anymore" and "this product is good, we'll help you make more of it". Things like debt are overall detrimental to western society so a potential policy could be that a bank can't offer debt at anything more than 1% interest or something (obviously it would take more thought than that). This would remove all those pay day loan companies that make people bankrupt.

Scritto da Oleg, 02.08.2016 at 09:51

Scritto da Phoenix, 02.08.2016 at 09:43

I'm radical sure, but I care about all people.

When I say take control of people, I still want them to think for themselves and be free to live and say what they like, if someone is a communist, good for them it shows they care about stuff .. so I am liberal in that sense, but people should be encouraged to make something of themselves, even if its just a good father/mother/husband/wife.

I guess a better definition is "tolerant nationalism"... there's no party out there that provides this, they're either right wing and angry or left wing and naive.

so you are commie?

I have to say stuff like this frustrates me. He is trying to explain you well and good how he believes a society should be, and you're just trying to tag him into an ideology. He is what he is, man. Stop looking at if he is a "communist" or a "fascist" or a "liberal" or a "pastafarian" or whatever and look at what he really advocates. Honestly why does everyone love to categorise so much rather than look at the actual picture...

Scritto da Phoenix, 01.08.2016 at 14:20

Scritto da Skanderbeg, 01.08.2016 at 13:37

Scritto da Phoenix, 01.08.2016 at 12:46

Fascism (minus the racism and ethnic cleansing)

Fascism is political ideology, not economic system :/

Fascist centralised economy

I'm impressed, you're smarter than i thought. While i don't agree with you on everything, I have to give you respect for saying this.

Now i see why Phoenix has a grudge against the "alt-right" cliche in off-topic. His "ideology" is so similar that he will be associated with us if he doesn't highlight his Egalitarianism (for lack of a better word).

Scritto da Tundy, 02.08.2016 at 13:04

Now i see why Phoenix has a grudge against the "alt-right" cliche in off-topic. His "ideology" is so similar that he will be associated with us if he doesn't highlight his Egalitarianism (for lack of a better word).

Lol, my economic ideology is similar, not necessarily my philosophical side. I'm more open than closed... again I don't see why a party can't exist that contains the best of both left wing and right wing policies... so If I have to be put on that spectrum, I consider my self to be in the center.

Scritto da Phoenix, 02.08.2016 at 13:13

Scritto da Tundy, 02.08.2016 at 13:04

Now i see why Phoenix has a grudge against the "alt-right" cliche in off-topic. His "ideology" is so similar that he will be associated with us if he doesn't highlight his Egalitarianism (for lack of a better word).

Lol, my economic ideology is similar, not necessarily my philosophical side. I'm more open than closed... again I don't see why a party can't exist that contains the best of both left wing and right wing policies... so If I have to be put on that spectrum, I consider my self to be in the center.

meh philosophically you are fascist too it seems

you said "ah I'd call myself a "nationalist", but not in the sense that I would only look out for white people.

As far as I'm concerned anyone willing to come to the UK to settle here and work and contribute to society is a Brit.... same as the USA when it encouraged migration." - too lazy to quote btw

this is essentially fascism; strong immigration control however willing to let some people in who can contribute to society

Fascism has nothing to do with race or hatred, it can be applied to any people or any country. However benito mussolini had said some racially motivated things but that has nothing to do with the actual political ideology.

Scritto da Valetorious, 02.08.2016 at 13:25

Scritto da Phoenix, 02.08.2016 at 13:13

Scritto da Tundy, 02.08.2016 at 13:04

Now i see why Phoenix has a grudge against the "alt-right" cliche in off-topic. His "ideology" is so similar that he will be associated with us if he doesn't highlight his Egalitarianism (for lack of a better word).

Lol, my economic ideology is similar, not necessarily my philosophical side. I'm more open than closed... again I don't see why a party can't exist that contains the best of both left wing and right wing policies... so If I have to be put on that spectrum, I consider my self to be in the center.

meh philosophically you are fascist too it seems

you said "ah I'd call myself a "nationalist", but not in the sense that I would only look out for white people.

As far as I'm concerned anyone willing to come to the UK to settle here and work and contribute to society is a Brit.... same as the USA when it encouraged migration." - too lazy to quote btw

this is essentially fascism; strong immigration control however willing to let some people in who can contribute to society

Fascism has nothing to do with race or hatred, it can be applied to any people or any country. However benito mussolini had said some racially motivated things but that has nothing to do with the actual political ideology.

I can go with that, but there's the problem of the taboo surrounding it, when you say "fascism" people think of labour camps, oppression and military police. A huge problem with fascism is that historically when it has been put to use it was mobilized by factors of hate and supremacy... Whereas I'd use rhetoric of cohesion and empowerment (for all people).

I would let people into the country who had the desire to contribute too regardless of the skills they had on entry, but obviously that's hard to implement practically.

ideally I'd like to think of a fresh term that describes what I believe in better.

You're not wrong though.

Scritto da Zephyrusu, 02.08.2016 at 12:47

Scritto da Oleg, 02.08.2016 at 09:51

Scritto da Phoenix, 02.08.2016 at 09:43

I'm radical sure, but I care about all people.

When I say take control of people, I still want them to think for themselves and be free to live and say what they like, if someone is a communist, good for them it shows they care about stuff .. so I am liberal in that sense, but people should be encouraged to make something of themselves, even if its just a good father/mother/husband/wife.

I guess a better definition is "tolerant nationalism"... there's no party out there that provides this, they're either right wing and angry or left wing and naive.

so you are commie?

I have to say stuff like this frustrates me. He is trying to explain you well and good how he believes a society should be, and you're just trying to tag him into an ideology. He is what he is, man. Stop looking at if he is a "communist" or a "fascist" or a "liberal" or a "pastafarian" or whatever and look at what he really advocates. Honestly why does everyone love to categorise so much rather than look at the actual picture...

hes just one commie