Something your brain will melt over if you think about it too much

Let the epic debate begin...

Is zero something real? Think about this: zero is the only "real" number that has to have its own properties, as you mentioned the division and multiplication rule. If a "real" number has to have its own set of rules that makes it act differently than other "real" numbers, then shouldn't it be considered something else? This is something I hoped not to bring up, but actually zero had to be proven by some arabian guy in the middle ages. In reality, zero is an expression, not a real number. Therefore one should be able to do the calculation ∞ x 0. What it is, I would like to know.

Infinity is not a number, it represents the indefinite end of our manmade numbering system, thus multiplying it by zero would make absolutely no sense-

So, ∞ * 0 is basicaly multiplying everything by nothing , 0=nothing, ∞=everything, what happens when you have something and multiply it by nothing? 1*0=0. But in this case were multiplying an indefinite "number" by a definite number, Example: the year is 1492, columbus finds america blah blah blah and estimates it being 600 million sq. miles- then trys to make that guess with no backing proof scientific fact, you can't. You need accurate info of the contienent before judging it like that. So, he would take the 600 million sq miles and times it by 0, which ends up with an indefinite answer, because you cannot make a problem without having the accurate info of what your making a problem about. Its like saying you can name every nation in europe, and ending up thinking Dalmatia is a country, you just cannot solve a problem without accurate information.

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I also think this might be an okay time to bring this up, dividing by zero. Every calculater counts it as error, why?
The divide by zero rule to me makes no sense, im not exactly sure how it works, but I take it as dividing something by nothing, like this:
100/0=???
Thats what a calculator usually says, but if your dividing a real something by an unreal nothing, it doesnt cancel each other out, the real number still exists, because you can't just say "suzie has 5 apples and took no bites from them, now the apples are gone", it makes no sense is what iam implying. My way:
100/0=100.

Scritto da Psychostick, 26.05.2011 at 22:29

Is zero something real? Think about this: zero is the only "real" number that has to have its own properties, as you mentioned the division and multiplication rule. If a "real" number has to have its own set of rules that makes it act differently than other "real" numbers, then shouldn't it be considered something else? This is something I hoped not to bring up, but actually zero had to be proven by some arabian guy in the middle ages. In reality, zero is an expression, not a real number. Therefore one should be able to do the calculation ∞ x 0. What it is, I would like to know.

That makes me think, are ∞ and 0 the exact same thing? they both represent nothing, do they not? Well, this is a topic for open discussion, so let the debate cpntinue when we have better information.

Scritto da Garde, 26.05.2011 at 22:39

Scritto da Psychostick, 26.05.2011 at 22:29

Is zero something real? Think about this: zero is the only "real" number that has to have its own properties, as you mentioned the division and multiplication rule. If a "real" number has to have its own set of rules that makes it act differently than other "real" numbers, then shouldn't it be considered something else? This is something I hoped not to bring up, but actually zero had to be proven by some arabian guy in the middle ages. In reality, zero is an expression, not a real number. Therefore one should be able to do the calculation ∞ x 0. What it is, I would like to know.

That makes me think, are ∞ and 0 the exact same thing? they both represent nothing, do they not? Well, this is a topic for open discussion, so let the debate cpntinue when we have better information.

∞ is endless and 0 is the place holder for everything you can't have a negative or a positive number with out it. it also represents the bare amount without being stretched to being having to be replaced if that makes sense

>ITT: people who failed high-school maths.

Quota:

I also think this might be an okay time to bring this up, dividing by zero. Every calculater counts it as error, why?
The divide by zero rule to me makes no sense, im not exactly sure how it works, but I take it as dividing something by nothing, like this:
100/0=???
Thats what a calculator usually says, but if your dividing a real something by an unreal nothing, it doesnt cancel each other out, the real number still exists, because you can't just say "suzie has 5 apples and took no bites from them, now the apples are gone", it makes no sense is what iam implying. My way:
100/0=100.

Oh wow. Well done, you done divided 100 by 1, and kept 100.

100/0 doesn't have an answer, but it tends to infinity.

There is no real discussion to be made, in my opinion.

∞ x 0 = 0
∞ / 0 = ∞
anything x 0 = 0

The only thing you should care about is 0/0 = ?

Scritto da Pinheiro, 27.05.2011 at 10:15

There is no real discussion to be made, in my opinion.

∞ x 0 = 0
∞ / 0 = ∞
anything x 0 = 0

The only thing you should care about is 0/0 = ?

Your dividing nothing by nothing, the answer is nothing.
0/0=0.

If I could I slap you across the internet, Gardevoir, I would.

To reply to the original post, didn't read the rest, zero times infinite is not defined, it's an undefined number. Also, it's a matter of knowledge on maths not debate...

Scritto da BASED Ironail, 27.05.2011 at 12:20

If I could I slap you across the internet, Gardevoir, I would.

+rep!

No matter how many times you multiply 0, you're not going to get anywhere, hence there being an error. Just like in any graph which has division, the denominator cannot be 0, when the variable on the bottom is a 0, there's a hole or break in the graph

I object to this last statement . you cant use an unproven fact, aka that calculator says so to back a claim. as for the original question assuming our current under of mathmatics, 0 *∞ doesnt = error; It is as pinheiro said 0*∞ = 0 because muliplication is the same as mutiple additions. aka 4*5 =20 = 4+4+4+4+4 therefore 0*∞ = 0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0...

also by the opposite logic 0/0 = x , 0 = x* 0 therfore x is anything singular and everything

my only question is can x be nothing?

X could be infinity?

Scritto da specter, 29.05.2011 at 01:24

I object to this last statement . you cant use an unproven fact, aka that calculator says so to back a claim. as for the original question assuming our current under of mathmatics, 0 *∞ doesnt = error; It is as pinheiro said 0*∞ = 0 because muliplication is the same as mutiple additions. aka 4*5 =20 = 4+4+4+4+4 therefore 0*∞ = 0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0...

also by the opposite logic 0/0 = x , 0 = x* 0 therfore x is anything singular and everything

my only question is can x be nothing?

At first, you may think that zero times infinity equals zero. After all, zero times any number is equal to zero, however infinity is not a number.

Logic dictates that zero multiplied by itself no matter how many times will always equal zero. However, I am going to proof that this answer is not quite correct when dealing with infinity.

First, I am going to define this axiom that any number divided by infinity is equal to zero:

0
— = C
∞


Where c is any real number.


So, lets prove what zero times infinity equals:

y = 0 * ∞


The first step is to substitute for zero with the axiom:

      C
y = — * ∞
      ∞

Therefore, when the infinities cancel each other out, we get:

y = c

This can be rewritten as:

0 * ∞ = c


So, zero times infinity is an undefined real number. This is the definition of undefined. Therefore, zero times infinity is undefined.

Another way of looking at this is that no one can EVER finish multiplying zero times infinity, therefore the answer will always be undefined. Even though logic dictates that the answer will be zero, this answer will never be reached. Therefore, trying to multiple zero times infinity is undefined.

Scritto da specter, 29.05.2011 at 01:24

I object to this last statement . you cant use an unproven fact, aka that calculator says so to back a claim. as for the original question assuming our current under of mathmatics, 0 *∞ doesnt = error; It is as pinheiro said 0*∞ = 0 because muliplication is the same as mutiple additions. aka 4*5 =20 = 4+4+4+4+4 therefore 0*∞ = 0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0...

also by the opposite logic 0/0 = x , 0 = x* 0 therfore x is anything singular and everything

my only question is can x be nothing?

Both you and original poster don't know maths, and you try with that simpleton logic to prove something. Jace just copy pasted half decent proof.

Jeeeeesus fucking Christ. I hope you're trolling.

Scritto da Jace Beleren, 31.05.2011 at 04:26

Logic dictates

First mistake, right there.

Scritto da Jace Beleren, 31.05.2011 at 04:26

the axiom:

     C
y = —
     ∞

This isn't an axiom. Real mathematicians define axioms, you do not.

Scritto da Jace Beleren, 31.05.2011 at 04:26

Therefore, when the infinities cancel each other out, we get:
C
y = — * ∞
∞

After stating that infinity isn't a number, you go ahead and crap yourself by using it like a number? What, are you off your tits on coke?

Scritto da Jace Beleren, 31.05.2011 at 04:26

Another way of looking at this is that no one can EVER finish multiplying zero times infinity, therefore the answer will always be undefined. Even though logic dictates that the answer will be zero, this answer will never be reached. Therefore, trying to multiple zero times infinity is undefined.

Confirmed for beta troll who never finished high school maths.

Let's just leave it at "You cannot use an undefined number in a equation, you must have all the information on both sides before solving it." In other words, it's unsolvable because Infinity is not ness. a "number", but more of a "representation of the infinite void of existance".
In other words,

0 * ∞ =

Ok, to put the original post in the most simple, easy to understand terms i can think of...

It is saying that you have infinity zero times. So you don't, in fact, have infinity at all.

Damnit, kids who failed at maths and kids who haven't finished school yet stop typing out your useless opinion.

Asked my math teacher today, he says it's 0. Not sure if he was just guessing or not.

Fuckin' limits, how do they work? Ask him about those.

I think its a trillion billion

Scritto da BASED Ironail, 02.06.2011 at 04:02

Fuckin' limits, how do they work? Ask him about those.

THIS^^

Scritto da BASED Ironail, 02.06.2011 at 04:02

Fuckin' limits, how do they work? Ask him about those.

And this is supposed to solve what? Your basicaly implying for me to ask my teacher to tell me something he probably doesn't even know, as how you worded it makes absolutely no sense to my american way of mathematics.

Lim1/x=
x->0

those are limits
wtf is he not a mathematician?

Maths is all based on sets of rules. Everything is defined in some way or another.

Theoretical bullshit, on the other hand, is not.

Watch the video on the front page (link).

• It is interesting whatever point of view you come from.
  
• It is guaranteed to make you lose all religious belief, unfortunately.

If you REALLY can't understand the undefined rule:

6/2 = 3
6 peaches divided among 2 people, each person gets 3 peaches.

0/2 = 0
0 peaches divided among 2 people, each person gets 0 peaches.

4/0
4 peaches divided among 0 people, how many peaches does each person have?



That said, Ironail is right, half these people need a good slap (and some middle school math classes)



OH, and:

Scritto da Garde, 02.06.2011 at 21:33

Your basicaly implying for me to ask my teacher to tell me something he probably doesn't even know, as how you worded it makes absolutely no sense to my american way of mathematics.

I lost, hard.

Scritto da Vespre, 03.06.2011 at 06:54

snip

GODDAMNIT WHY DOESN'T ANYONE PAY ATTENTION TO ME?!

Theoretical bullshit blows my mind. Nuff sad.

Scritto da Vespre, 03.06.2011 at 06:54

4/0
4 peaches divided among 0 people, how many peaches does each person have?





OH, and:

Scritto da Garde, 02.06.2011 at 21:33

Your basicaly implying for me to ask my teacher to tell me something he probably doesn't even know, as how you worded it makes absolutely no sense to my american way of mathematics.

I lost, hard.

They get infinite peaches
Teachers teaching maths and not knowing limits, either Gardevoir goes to a shit school or american education is terrible.

Scritto da YOBA, 03.06.2011 at 07:20

Theoretical bullshit blows my mind.

My post was neither theoretical nor bullshit.