Remember the Left?

Remember the time, 40 years ago, when Left meant conservativism and Right meant genocide? When did Left became lgbt, 72 genders and 20 pronouns?

I'm not questioning whether lgbt is right or wrong, just when did the reform happened? USSR and China were leftist, jailing gays, assigning one of two genders at birth. No gay marriages, no non-traditional sex education in school, no pornography, no females in male body.

I don't remember Marx, Engels, Lenin, Stalin or Mao promoting lesbian, gay, bisexual, transexual rights and culture, do you?

In that time, Right meant genocide, apartheid, nazism, war. Now it seems Right became just conservative. When did the change happen?

The only answer to that is: jews, they happen.

Scritto da Skanderbeg, 28.06.2017 at 07:17

Remember the time, 40 years ago, when Left meant conservativism and Right meant genocide? When did Left became lgbt, 72 genders and 20 pronouns?

I'm not questioning whether lgbt is right or wrong, just when did the reform happened? USSR and China were leftist, jailing gays, assigning one of two genders at birth. No gay marriages, no non-traditional sex education in school, no pornography, no females in male body.

I don't remember Marx, Engels, Lenin, Stalin or Mao promoting lesbian, gay, bisexual, transexual rights and culture, do you?

In that time, Right meant genocide, apartheid, nazism, war. Now it seems Right became just conservative. When did the change happen?

Lenin decrimilizied homosexuality in the Russia...

Scritto da Brsjak, 28.06.2017 at 10:28

Lenin decrimilizied homosexuality in the Russia...

Yes, and ordered hospitals to equip for abortions. Stalin later reversed homosexuality law.

Which mean gay freedom lasted for 5 years and in reality was never practiced as police probably arrested anyone declared gay.

Now i have to write this so you don't get me wrong as most do, i don't care for gays personally and for arresting them, i leave that to Saudi Arabia. I just care if their agenda shake the pillars of my society, because the last thing we need is another upside down revolution. I care more for stability, law and order.

Scritto da Skanderbeg, 28.06.2017 at 14:09

Scritto da Brsjak, 28.06.2017 at 10:28

Lenin decrimilizied homosexuality in the Russia...

Yes, and ordered hospitals to equip for abortions. Stalin later reversed homosexuality law.

Which mean gay freedom lasted for 5 years and in reality was never practiced as police probably arrested anyone declared gay.

Now i have to write this so you don't get me wrong as most do, i don't care for gays personally and for arresting them, i leave that to Saudi Arabia. I just care if their agenda shake the pillars of my society, because the last thing we need is another upside down revolution. I care more for stability, law and order.

I agree with you entirely on this statement. Be what you want but don't try to change everyone else.

Scritto da Helly, 28.06.2017 at 14:37

I agree with you entirely on this statement. Be what you want but don't try to change everyone else.

If by change, you mean to acquire equality, same as women have done in the past, then I got no problem at all

Scritto da RaulPB, 28.06.2017 at 17:08

Scritto da Helly, 28.06.2017 at 14:37

I agree with you entirely on this statement. Be what you want but don't try to change everyone else.

If by change, you mean to acquire equality, same as women have done in the past, then I got no problem at all

I mean to alter society in a way that makes them more important then myself. It's already happened in California. A heterosexual white male who is conservitive = unemployable racist. The fact tv has to have them doing explicite sexual activities in front of general audiences. For fuck sake they are making spiderman a black women and the wolverine is a lesbian mexican. They need to keep there sexuality out of culture it has no place there. Kissing in public? Sure, changing childeren icons into politically correct tools to say it's ok to be gay is not ok, it has no room in culture.

No idea really, but "a little left" while i was growing up meant progress, egalitarianism, education, welfare, human rights, anti-army etc. Unregulated capitalism corrupted "the left" imo, cause everything was slowly tailored to the needs of the corporations and the banks and the movements highjacked by greedy policy makers and brain dead "activists" in position of power.
Righteous movements like feminism, gay rights, coloured rights, freedom of speech got turned to shit, they mean nothing any more. As if homosexuals really care wether a bakery denies them service, or trans women really give a fuck where they pee. Or as if coloured people deserve to pay less taxes, or Muslims that share the same values as Nazi Germany should get a free pass because " multiculturalism", or as if fat people need a safe space more than a diet...and etc etc Its all a joke now.

Scritto da Khal.eesi, 28.06.2017 at 17:37

No idea really, but "a little left" while i was growing up meant progress, egalitarianism, education, welfare, human rights, anti-army etc. Unregulated capitalism corrupted "the left" imo, cause everything was slowly tailored to the needs of the corporations and the banks and the movements highjacked by greedy policy makers and brain dead "activists" in position of power.
Righteous movements like feminism, gay rights, coloured rights, freedom of speech got turned to shit, they mean nothing any more. As if homosexuals really care wether a bakery denies them service, or trans women really give a fuck where they pee. Or as if coloured people deserve to pay less taxes, or Muslims that share the same values as Nazi Germany should get a free pass because " multiculturalism", or as if fat people need a safe space more than a diet...and etc etc Its all a joke now.

Thinking about left and right economics, i got confused; does Left wants less regulation or Right?

F*ck me if it's not a loop: Left tends decentralization, that mean less regulation right? But then they want planned economy? While Right promote strong State, which mean alot of involvement in the economy? Ok it's a loop, get me out of here.

Scritto da Khal.eesi, 28.06.2017 at 17:37

No idea really, but "a little left" while i was growing up meant progress, egalitarianism, education, welfare, human rights, anti-army etc. Unregulated capitalism corrupted "the left" imo, cause everything was slowly tailored to the needs of the corporations and the banks and the movements highjacked by greedy policy makers and brain dead "activists" in position of power.
Righteous movements like feminism, gay rights, coloured rights, freedom of speech got turned to shit, they mean nothing any more. As if homosexuals really care wether a bakery denies them service, or trans women really give a fuck where they pee. Or as if coloured people deserve to pay less taxes, or Muslims that share the same values as Nazi Germany should get a free pass because " multiculturalism", or as if fat people need a safe space more than a diet...and etc etc Its all a joke now.

Your platform was stolen by globalist, because of its keenest to change, it is easier to minipulate where that change is heading rather then the right which is rooted in pre-established values.

Scritto da Skanderbeg, 28.06.2017 at 17:46

Scritto da Khal.eesi, 28.06.2017 at 17:37

No idea really, but "a little left" while i was growing up meant progress, egalitarianism, education, welfare, human rights, anti-army etc. Unregulated capitalism corrupted "the left" imo, cause everything was slowly tailored to the needs of the corporations and the banks and the movements highjacked by greedy policy makers and brain dead "activists" in position of power.
Righteous movements like feminism, gay rights, coloured rights, freedom of speech got turned to shit, they mean nothing any more. As if homosexuals really care wether a bakery denies them service, or trans women really give a fuck where they pee. Or as if coloured people deserve to pay less taxes, or Muslims that share the same values as Nazi Germany should get a free pass because " multiculturalism", or as if fat people need a safe space more than a diet...and etc etc Its all a joke now.

Thinking about left and right economics, i got confused; does Left wants less regulation or Right?

F*ck me if it's not a loop: Left tends decentralization, that mean less regulation right? But then they want planned economy? While Right promote strong State, which mean alot of involvement in the economy? Ok it's a loop, get me out of here.

Haha, well left wants a big government, high taxes, high wellfare and supposedly regulates the market heavily. Right wants small government, less taxes, free market, no handouts. Far right...thats another discussion...

Scritto da Khal.eesi, 28.06.2017 at 17:51

Scritto da Skanderbeg, 28.06.2017 at 17:46

Scritto da Khal.eesi, 28.06.2017 at 17:37

No idea really, but "a little left" while i was growing up meant progress, egalitarianism, education, welfare, human rights, anti-army etc. Unregulated capitalism corrupted "the left" imo, cause everything was slowly tailored to the needs of the corporations and the banks and the movements highjacked by greedy policy makers and brain dead "activists" in position of power.
Righteous movements like feminism, gay rights, coloured rights, freedom of speech got turned to shit, they mean nothing any more. As if homosexuals really care wether a bakery denies them service, or trans women really give a fuck where they pee. Or as if coloured people deserve to pay less taxes, or Muslims that share the same values as Nazi Germany should get a free pass because " multiculturalism", or as if fat people need a safe space more than a diet...and etc etc Its all a joke now.

Thinking about left and right economics, i got confused; does Left wants less regulation or Right?

F*ck me if it's not a loop: Left tends decentralization, that mean less regulation right? But then they want planned economy? While Right promote strong State, which mean alot of involvement in the economy? Ok it's a loop, get me out of here.

Haha, well left wants a big government, high taxes, high wellfare and supposedly regulates the market heavily. Right wants small government, less taxes, free market, no handouts. Far right...thats another discussion...

The funniest thing about the left for me is there fondness for muslim immigration, a group of far right extremist xD

Scritto da Khal.eesi, 28.06.2017 at 17:51

Haha, well left wants a big government, high taxes, high wellfare and supposedly regulates the market heavily. Right wants small government, less taxes, free market, no handouts. Far right...thats another discussion...

You see how complicated and contradictory it is!

From what i understood, Left wants equality, like decentralization, autonomy for minorities, grant them parliaments and assemblies, freedom of religion, rights and grants, and then they want big government? How can you have big government if you just splited your country on regions (like US or USSR)???

And then you said Right wants small government, but we already know Right is against autonomy and (most)rights for minorities, so we can conclude the power will be in the capital city, which means government will be big(too some point, since they will have all the power).

It's like they are two sides of the same coin(sword), and some of their policies change sides back and forth.

Scritto da Helly, 28.06.2017 at 17:36

changing childeren icons into politically correct tools to say it's ok to be gay is not ok, it has no room in culture.

Why not? I mean... what a better way to educate into tolerance than using the same way in which people have been educated into intolerance and several other ways of ignorance? Anyway, women's equality changed our society, why shouldn't gays?

Scritto da RaulPB, 28.06.2017 at 18:10

Scritto da Helly, 28.06.2017 at 17:36

changing childeren icons into politically correct tools to say it's ok to be gay is not ok, it has no room in culture.

Why not? I mean... what a better way to educate into tolerance than using the same way in which people have been educated into intolerance and several other ways of ignorance? Anyway, women's equality changed our society, why shouldn't gays?

It's not there job to teach someone else's kids anything that's why, they are entertainers they are not teachers or politicians or poffessors.

Scritto da Helly, 28.06.2017 at 18:14

It's not there job to teach someone else's kids anything that's why, they are entertainers they are not teachers or politicians or poffessors.

Are you implying that the media has never tried to teach, educate or change people's mind about anything? XDDDD

Scritto da Skanderbeg, 28.06.2017 at 17:46

Scritto da Khal.eesi, 28.06.2017 at 17:37

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Thinking about left and right economics, i got confused; does Left wants less regulation or Right?

Maybe we were taught to look ay left and right differently in school/society (not a bad thing or that one is right or wrong, just an observation), but for me "left" means liberal and "right" means conservative (liberal in this sense means "modern" liberal, not "classical liberalism"). Liberals (ie. left) want something or things to change, while conservatives (ie. right) want things to remain the same (or go back to the way things were). This means that the terms left and right are going to be different based on a country.

In the global context, I would argue that rather than "right" or "left" it should be "authoritarian" or "libertarian." One wants more government and one less.

When using right or left labels, they can have different meanings depending on the country:
Examples:

1. In the United States, someone on the left wants society to change to become more liberal/tolerant, more government in terms of welfare and regulations (meaning higher taxes to pay for any programs). A person on the right tends to want to have less government and might also be more conservative on social issues

***I think it's also important to divide right and left with "fiscal" and "social" issues. Someone might be fiscally conservative but socially liberal****

2. In China, a "conservative" might actually WANT government involvement in the economy while a "liberal" would want LESS government involvement in the economy, politics etc.

3. Russia might also be classified as above with the "conservatives" wanting to maintain more government presence while "liberals" want less


This is just my viewpoint and how I've thought of things

Scritto da RaulPB, 28.06.2017 at 18:36

Scritto da Helly, 28.06.2017 at 18:14

It's not there job to teach someone else's kids anything that's why, they are entertainers they are not teachers or politicians or poffessors.

Are you implying that the media has never tried to teach, educate or change people's mind about anything? XDDDD

It is fact that people go to the entertainment industry for enjoyment, not subliminal messaging. If you mean the news media, it is there job to bring facts, not feelings to your attention. But what I really mean is it is just another way to desensitized youth to sin, I am not a religious man nore am I a christian but the seven deadly sins will corrupt your soul indefinitly and lust is one of them. It's just away to justify genocide against the moral less masses they created for the coming war.

Scritto da Helly, 28.06.2017 at 19:04

It is fact that people go to the entertainment industry for enjoyment, not subliminal messaging.

I'm sorry to say that they've always had...

Some people suggest that today the left and the right dont exist, instead of that we have conservatives and liberals

Scritto da Skanderbeg, 28.06.2017 at 07:17

Remember the time, 40 years ago, when Left meant conservativism and Right meant genocide? When did Left became lgbt, 72 genders and 20 pronouns?

I'm not questioning whether lgbt is right or wrong, just when did the reform happened? USSR and China were leftist, jailing gays, assigning one of two genders at birth. No gay marriages, no non-traditional sex education in school, no pornography, no females in male body.

I don't remember Marx, Engels, Lenin, Stalin or Mao promoting lesbian, gay, bisexual, transexual rights and culture, do you?

In that time, Right meant genocide, apartheid, nazism, war. Now it seems Right became just conservative. When did the change happen?

Nazism= extreme right not right
Right are a lot of more groups not only extreme like nazism, and left isnt only communist (extreme left) there are also green, socialists, liberals,etc...
Not mentioning that both extreme left and extreme right are very similar....
Remember how Hitler and Stalin the enemies for ever, pacted to take Poland just before ww2?
Probably with globalism both right and left changed a lot.The liberals (the left) are losing terrain quickly even Vietnam ( anti US communist dictatorship) citizens wants capitalism and free market (96% of the population wants free market and capitalism).
As you had seen my video (Modern Educayshun) that could be the perfect society for liberals ( total equality, too sensitive society,recognition of ridiculous things like 70+genders , total income equality, anti religious society, etc...) but the majority of the society rejects that.The globalism changed all: economy, politics, our vision to see the world, etc..

Scritto da Free_Warrior, 29.06.2017 at 03:51

Some people suggest that today the left and the right dont exist, instead of that we have conservatives and liberals

That's the whole point of Left and Right, what the hell lmao

Scritto da Pheonixking929, 28.06.2017 at 18:40

1. In the United States, someone on the left wants society to change to become more liberal/tolerant, more government in terms of welfare and regulations (meaning higher taxes to pay for any programs). A person on the right tends to want to have less government and might also be more conservative on social issues

Same here. In Portugal the party on the Right (Social Democrats) want less government involvement in the economy (hence favouring privatization of certain public companies and services) while the Left (Socialists, Communists and Radical Left) at different levels want more involvement of the Government in the economy and financial sectors as a way to ensure people's rights and needs are satisfied, and this is somehow what happens in europe with the Right-Left division, even though that line is way blurrier now than it was in the 1960's or 70's.

Scritto da Al Fappino, 29.06.2017 at 10:41

Scritto da Pheonixking929, 28.06.2017 at 18:40

1. In the United States, someone on the left wants society to change to become more liberal/tolerant, more government in terms of welfare and regulations (meaning higher taxes to pay for any programs). A person on the right tends to want to have less government and might also be more conservative on social issues

Same here. In Portugal the party on the Right (Social Democrats) want less government involvement in the economy (hence favouring privatization of certain public companies and services) while the Left (Socialists, Communists and Radical Left) at different levels want more involvement of the Government in the economy and financial sectors as a way to ensure people's rights and needs are satisfied, and this is somehow what happens in europe with the Right-Left division, even though that line is way blurrier now than it was in the 1960's or 70's.

Fapps your country has no right.... What you have there is sensible left, and extremism left.

I'll try not to be biased, but I'll explain the left right stigma in the United states. Currently things have degenerated rapidly and I'd no longer call either side left or right.

But the left historically was about democracy, with an strong message about community and the population as a whole benefiting from the economic prosparity the united states enjoys, using that economic growth with an emphasis on social programs to better everyone's lives. They where about equality for all and everyone, even if that ment government intervention such as when georgia refused to mix whites and black in schools and they sent troops in to force them to being able to persue proper education and happiness.

The right had an emphasis on what the United states was founded on, the United states is not a democracy it is a republic, and unlike the democratic parties push for community equality, the Republicans believed in individual freedom, each man being able to persue his dreams without intervention from outside sources. Instead of the government taking your money and spending it in a way they thought would benefiet society, it was a republicans duty to give back to the country when they could through donations and private projects.

Today both parties are corrupted by greed, republicans no longer live by a code of help your fellow man in need,and the democratic beuracracy is so corrupt 60% of the national budget is un accounted for. So in the past while both sides had there own way to help the people now both sides only help themselves and there friends, blaming the other side and pointing fingers.

Many intellegent people saw through this and are flocking to other platforms, such as the green party, tea party, and labour parties. I'll be honest that I don't really know much about many of them. But I personally am a libertarian, which is pretty much what republicans used to be before the corruption, without a emphasis and religion and culture, and rather celebrating our individuality and freedom.

Scritto da Helly, 29.06.2017 at 12:49

Scritto da Al Fappino, 29.06.2017 at 10:41

Scritto da Pheonixking929, 28.06.2017 at 18:40

1. In the United States, someone on the left wants society to change to become more liberal/tolerant, more government in terms of welfare and regulations (meaning higher taxes to pay for any programs). A person on the right tends to want to have less government and might also be more conservative on social issues

Same here. In Portugal the party on the Right (Social Democrats) want less government involvement in the economy (hence favouring privatization of certain public companies and services) while the Left (Socialists, Communists and Radical Left) at different levels want more involvement of the Government in the economy and financial sectors as a way to ensure people's rights and needs are satisfied, and this is somehow what happens in europe with the Right-Left division, even though that line is way blurrier now than it was in the 1960's or 70's.

Fapps your country has no right.... What you have there is sensible left, and extremism left.

I know that, the moment our social democracy is considered right, it's just fuckin retarded. (we have a centrist conservative party)

Changes were always there, just not hegemonic within the movements.

From my understanding "left" and "right" has nothing to do with how much the government controls, there can be both an authoritarian right/left or a liberal (fucking Americans, stop using the word liberal for stupid reasons) right/left government. Originally the term originated in the French Revolution, where the radical Jacobins sat on the left of the parliament while the conservatives of the old government sat on the right. Therefore "right" and "left" originally meant conservative and radical. Later on however the "left' movements were properly organized into groups, and thus the term "left" came to refer to movements similar to the usual "left" movements, that being, equality, both social and economical, progress and a certain disregard for tradition, among others. Meanwhile the "right" came to refer to the governments' policies and ideology. It should be noted that while modern society refers to the Fascists as "far right", they themselves considered their ideology a third way, neither left nor right. Then the Cold War came and the words lost all context and instead became a tag to put on people in order to praise or condem them depending on the situation. Today the left is bullshit, it used to be the face of radicalism but now all they care about is which toilet people should use and not the root problems of society. On the other hand, the right has gone from slow, stable and steady progress to regression to the degeneracies of old. In my opinion the left-right spectrum is not really important in modern politics overall.

Scritto da Zephyrusu, 30.06.2017 at 05:03

From my understanding "left" and "right" has nothing to do with how much the government controls, there can be both an authoritarian right/left or a liberal (fucking Americans, stop using the word liberal for stupid reasons) right/left government. Originally the term originated in the French Revolution, where the radical Jacobins sat on the left of the parliament while the conservatives of the old government sat on the right. Therefore "right" and "left" originally meant conservative and radical. Later on however the "left' movements were properly organized into groups, and thus the term "left" came to refer to movements similar to the usual "left" movements, that being, equality, both social and economical, progress and a certain disregard for tradition, among others. Meanwhile the "right" came to refer to the governments' policies and ideology. It should be noted that while modern society refers to the Fascists as "far right", they themselves considered their ideology a third way, neither left nor right. Then the Cold War came and the words lost all context and instead became a tag to put on people in order to praise or condem them depending on the situation. Today the left is bullshit, it used to be the face of radicalism but now all they care about is which toilet people should use and not the root problems of society. On the other hand, the right has gone from slow, stable and steady progress to regression to the degeneracies of old. In my opinion the left-right spectrum is not really important in modern politics overall.

Well written.

Your last sentence reminded me of (personally) biggest problem in my country politics: that is parties make coalition after elections so they both enter parliament, which in my opinion is retarded because the point of election is that we vote a party we want to see in the parliament, but still a party which is not popular or good - ends up in the parliament as well. Second thing is those parties are different, one is Right, the other is Left, so why they make coalition then, when they have different party platforms, views and policies. By doing that, they make elections redundant, and not important, which leaves millions of people without a say in the politics.

This exact thing happened few months ago in Macedonia, and chaos broke loose.

What's your opinion on this matter and do you see a way out of this loop?

Scritto da Skanderbeg, 30.06.2017 at 07:19

Your last sentence reminded me of (personally) biggest problem in my country politics: that is parties make coalition after elections so they both enter parliament, which in my opinion is retarded because the point of election is that we vote a party we want to see in the parliament,

We vote for our party/candidates to represent us yes, and to lead a government, however, we also expect a stable Government that can legislate, because even though the people think elections are fundamental for their country, they don't want to get called to vote for a new government 2 or 3 times a year (like Spain did), hence the need of forming coalition governments to ensure majority governments that can govern.
Traditionally the only exceptions to these kind of coalition governments are Britain and France, whose system favours the formation of majority governments

Scritto da Skanderbeg, 30.06.2017 at 07:19

Second thing is those parties are different, one is Right, the other is Left, so why they make coalition then, when they have different party platforms, views and policies.

That's very rare to ever happen, what you see in most of the times is Left & Center-Left Coalition or Right & Center-Right Coalition governments. You have the example of Portugal though with a coalition of the radical left, communists and socialists aswell, which is now seen as a model of governance in europe in countries like Spain or even Corbyn's Labour Party.