2 years since Crimea united with Russia

Scritto da Black Swans, 27.03.2016 at 16:11

Scritto da 5th SS Wiking, 27.03.2016 at 15:29

Scritto da Black Swans, 27.03.2016 at 15:27

Scritto da 5th SS Wiking, 27.03.2016 at 15:26

Scritto da Black Swans, 27.03.2016 at 15:15

Scritto da 5th SS Wiking, 27.03.2016 at 15:12

Scritto da Guest, 27.03.2016 at 11:33

Crimea was hellenic, scythish, sarmatian, byzantine, trebizonian, ukrainian, turkish, ukrainian again and only after russian... so how exactly can you putin's lovers say that crimea is russian...

By that logic no slav people even have the right to any territory in Europe. The answer is simple - The inhabitants of Crimea want to be Russian, therefore they are Russian.

Wow.
How they got there ?

Slavic Migrations during 100 to 400 AD - You realize Bulgarians and most of the slavic peoples originate from the Volga region?

Incorrect all slavic people originate from Carpaths.
I am asking how did russians get to the crimea ?

Ethnically they aren't actually Russians, they are Tatar. But they view themselves as Russians due to many cultural factors all of which I am not aware of, and I think that if Russia is willing to accept them as their citizens then they are legally Russian. One of these factors would be that the Tatars were more assimilated than the Ukrainians because it was viewed as such that the Ukrainians were 'Russian' enough.

Would you accept al jazeera to post something orI have to find other source ?

we will (if we dont like it we ll just claim bias)
go ahead

So when Kosovo people want to secede from Serbia its legitimate and tottally not against international law
but when Crimea does the same it suddenly becomes illegal and not a right thing to do ....

Scritto da Ghostface, 27.03.2016 at 18:50

So when Kosovo people want to secede from Serbia its legitimate and tottally not against international law
but when Crimea does the same it suddenly becomes illegal and not a right thing to do ....

It's legal because serbs tried to do ethnic cleansing in Kosovo ( their separatism in Macedonia is illegal).
While russians were not majoritybefore ww II and they becoming by forcing Tatars to move into russian inner land.

Scritto da Black Swans, 28.03.2016 at 03:20

It's legal because serbs tried to do ethnic cleansing in Kosovo ( their separatism in Macedonia is illegal).
While russians were not majoritybefore ww II and they becoming by forcing Tatars to move into russian inner land.

But that hoax has been revealed in 2008 by Finnish expert herself. There wasn't ethnic cleansing of Albanians by Serbs on Kosovo but was used to approve invasion of Serbia. The reality was other way around, Serbs cleansed, by American funded guerilla, in the middle of Europe!

Scritto da Skanderbeg, 28.03.2016 at 11:55

Scritto da Black Swans, 28.03.2016 at 03:20

It's legal because serbs tried to do ethnic cleansing in Kosovo ( their separatism in Macedonia is illegal).
While russians were not majoritybefore ww II and they becoming by forcing Tatars to move into russian inner land.

But that hoax has been revealed in 2008 by Finnish expert herself. There wasn't ethnic cleansing of Albanians by Serbs on Kosovo but was used to approve invasion of Serbia. The reality was other way around, Serbs cleansed, by American funded guerilla, in the middle of Europe!

YOU COULD GIVE US WHOLE ARTICLE. FFS YOU SOUND LIKE KHALESI,BUT AT LEAST KHALESI OPENLY ADMITED WHAT HE IS AND WHAT HIS GOALS ARE.

For the government of Serbia, cooperation with the International Criminal Tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia is "still regarded as a distressing obligation, the necessary price for joining the European Union".Yugoslav President Slobodan Milošević, along with Milan Milutinović, Nikola Šainović, Dragoljub Ojdanić and Vlajko Stojiljković were charged by the ICTY with crimes against humanity including murder, forcible transfer, deportation, and "persecution on political, racial or religious grounds". In 2001, then-President Vojislav Koštunica "fought tooth and nail" against attempts to put Milošević before an international court but was unable to prevent this happening after further atrocities were revealed.[228] In October 2003, there were more indictments against former armed forces chief of staff Nebojša Pavković, former army corps commander Vladimir Lazarević, former police official Vlastimir Đorđević, and Sreten Lukić. All were indicted for crimes against humanity and violations of the laws or customs of war. Later, the United Nations International Criminal Tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia (ICTY) legally found that Serbia "use[d] violence and terror to force a significant number of Kosovo Albanians from their homes and across the borders, in order for the state authorities to maintain control over Kosovo ... This campaign was conducted by army and Interior Ministry police forces (MUP) under the control of FRY and Serbian authorities, who were responsible for mass expulsions of Kosovo Albanian civilians from their homes, as well as incidents of killings, sexual assault, and the intentional destruction of mosques."


Civilians killed by Yugoslav forces

Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) officers investigate an alleged mass grave, alongside US Marines
Various estimates of the number of killings attributed to Yugoslav forces have been announced through the years. An estimated 800,000 Kosovo Albanians fled and an estimated 7,000 to 9,000 were killed, according to The New York Times. The estimate of 10,000 deaths is used by the United States Department of State, which cited human rights abuses as its main justification for attacking Yugoslavia.

Statistical experts working on behalf of the ICTY prosecution estimate that the total number of dead is about 10,000. Eric Fruits, a professor at Portland State University, argued that the experts' analyses were based on fundamentally flawed data and that none of its conclusions are supported by any valid statistical analysis or tests.

In August 2000, the International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia (ICTY) announced that it had exhumed 2,788 bodies in Kosovo, but declined to say how many were thought to be victims of war crimes.[208] Earlier however, KFOR sources told Agence France Presse that of the 2,150 bodies that had been discovered up until July 1999, about 850 were thought to be victims of war crimes.

Known mass graves:

In 2001, 800 still unidentified bodies were found in pits on a police training ground just outside Belgrade and in eastern Serbia.
At least 700 bodies were uncovered in a mass grave located within a special anti-terrorist police unit's compound in the Belgrade suburb of Batajnica.
77 bodies were found in the eastern Serbian town of Petrovo Selo.
50 bodies were uncovered near the western Serbian town of Peručac.

Crimea is Ukrainian. Ukraine gave its nuclear weapons away in exchange for US/Russian backing. Russia broke its deal as did the West. Ukrainian Nationalists will win though.

Scritto da Tik-Tok, 14.04.2016 at 09:18

Crimea is Ukrainian. Ukraine gave its nuclear weapons away in exchange for US/Russian backing. Russia broke its deal as did the West. Ukrainian Nationalists will win though.

When did Ukraine had nuclear weapons?

Scritto da Skanderbeg, 14.04.2016 at 13:00

Scritto da Tik-Tok, 14.04.2016 at 09:18

Crimea is Ukrainian. Ukraine gave its nuclear weapons away in exchange for US/Russian backing. Russia broke its deal as did the West. Ukrainian Nationalists will win though.

When did Ukraine had nuclear weapons?

They were Soviet. After the Union broke up, they came into Ukraine's possession before they gave them up.

As a bit of (interesting but useless) trivia, South Africa had nukes too, developed on its own, and became the 1st (and only) nation to voluntarily disarm itself completely of nuclear WMDs

Scritto da Darth., 14.04.2016 at 13:10

They were Soviet. After the Union broke up, they came into Ukraine's possession before they gave them up.

As a bit of (interesting but useless) trivia, South Africa had nukes too, developed on its own, and became the 1st (and only) nation to voluntarily disarm itself completely of nuclear WMDs

Let him reply. Why did Ukraine think by giving something they don't own will recieve something in return.

Scritto da Skanderbeg, 14.04.2016 at 13:12

Scritto da Darth., 14.04.2016 at 13:10

They were Soviet. After the Union broke up, they came into Ukraine's possession before they gave them up.

As a bit of (interesting but useless) trivia, South Africa had nukes too, developed on its own, and became the 1st (and only) nation to voluntarily disarm itself completely of nuclear WMDs

Let him reply. Why did Ukraine think by giving something they don't own will recieve something in return.

They owned them. They were in possession of it. The Soviet Union no longer existed. They agreed to disarm under conditions. Conditions that Russia broken when seizing Crimea.

Scritto da Tik-Tok, 14.04.2016 at 15:01

They owned them. They were in possession of it. The Soviet Union no longer existed. They agreed to disarm under conditions. Conditions that Russia broken when seizing Crimea.

So we can choose what to reject and what to claim? Ukraine rejected Red Army and their citizens deserted, Red Army had to retreat to Russia in 1991. But they had right to preserve the militar branch of the Red Army called 'Strategic Rocket Forces' (nuclear weapons and long-range missiles)?

I think when they deserted the Red Army, they deserted Rocket Forces as well, thus claiming they don't want it and left it for Russia or other ex-Soviet states.

Beside, Ukraine didn't wanted to inherit USSR duties and debt, Russia did, so WMD goes to Russia and not Ukraine. That is logical and legal stand. Russia took all Soviet responsibilities, debt and problems. And already had red telephone with Washington, no need to create new nuclear states.

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Did Russia really 'seized' Crimea, or was there democratic referendum where 96% of Crimeans voted to join Russia? We have avaliable informations today and i found that Crimeans voted to join Russia after they denied coup-imposed right-wing government in Kiev.

After all, didn't Montenegro seceded from Serbia in the same way, ignoring Serbian constitution, voice and opinion? Europe and America supported Montenegro, so why they don't support Crimea now?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimean_status_referendum%2C_2014
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montenegrin_independence_referendum,_2006


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Did you notice how Media and Ukraine call rebels 'pro-russians', while rebels only want Federalisation of Ukraine, not to join Russia. They should be called 'Anti-Government Forces' or 'Anti-Kiev' since they really are against new government in Kiev, not for Russia.

But once Media called Ukrainian Army 'pro-americans'


https://www.rt.com/usa/230759-cnn-us-troops-ukraine/
https://www.rt.com/usa/231163-cnn-sorry-pro-us-troops/

5 years since...

Wish there was a downvote option

Scritto da Rasp, 01.08.2019 at 16:00

Sneaky style of 'how to grab some land of the enemy'...

saddest thing is nobody cares about how this happened.

Well, does it matter if same people live in a nation that 'grabs' and in 'grabbed' land?

Imagine Germany 'grabs' Austria, would that be wrong? For me it wouldn't, because it's their choice and they are same people (Germans), the very name of Austria (Osterreich) means Eastern State (probably 'of Germany'). Just like 'Ukraine' means Borderland on Russian

USA broke a Nato promise by expanding to Eastern Europe. Russia isnt aggressor in this sitation.

Scritto da Your Monkey, 01.08.2019 at 17:18

USA broke a Nato promise by expanding to Eastern Europe. Russia isnt aggressor in this sitation.

Just because one country dose wrong does not mean the other one across the pond that done the same isn't wrong.

Scritto da Skanderbeg, 01.08.2019 at 17:11

Imagine Germany 'grabs' Austria, would that be wrong?

Yes.
Nationalities and culture are social constructs, people live in Austria and solely consider themselves Austrian, not German. A good few years ago, it wouldn't be much of a change. But it's not a good few years ago, it's now.

Irish people colonised Scottish Islands and Highlands, if Ireland grabbed Scotland, would It be wrong?
Yes.

Declaring War another nation is wrong.
Rigging a vote while having a history of rigging votes is also wrong.

But, every country is not a Saint, and if Northern Ireland ever did become Independent, I'd hope ROI would declare war on It.

Scritto da DeepFriedUnicorn, 01.08.2019 at 19:01

Yes.
Nationalities and culture are social constructs, people live in Austria and solely consider themselves Austrian, not German. A good few years ago, it wouldn't be much of a change. But it's not a good few years ago, it's now.

Irish people colonised Scottish Islands and Highlands, if Ireland grabbed Scotland, would It be wrong?
Yes.

Declaring War another nation is wrong.
Rigging a vote while having a history of rigging votes is also wrong.

But, every country is not a Saint, and if Northern Ireland ever did become Independent, I'd hope ROI would declare war on It.

But no one declared war on anyone in this case, and 'having history of rigging votes' could be propaganda, because USA started Cold War 2, so we can't be sure.

I don't see a problem if a region which is inhabited by same people, a region that was part of the mother-nation for centuries, wants to break away from present nation and go back to mother-nation using democratic and legal means, more so if they are threatened by extremists in the government and having chronic economic problems in the present nation.

Romania have significant Hungarian minority in Transylvania, Ukraine have Russians, Bulgaria have Turks, Serbia have Albanians, they will always try to merge with their mother-nation. Hitler was a genocidal maniac, but he said borders are organic, which means it will always change according to population living there. Probably some advisor said him so, but it is true. Albanians populated Kosovo, became majority and took it, Crimea is populated by Russians, and they dont want to stay within Ukraine, Kurds dont want to be part of Turkey, Hungarians want their region to become part of Hungary again.

You cant just give regions to foreigners like its a game and expect the situation to end that way, people are not NPCs. They will seek to return home.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1954_transfer_of_Crimea

I wont even try explaining situation in Somalia, where UN reject ethnic groups to create their own states and end the violence, they like it more when they fight each other in one country.

Here's a simple principle: every sovereign nation puts its own interests first. Andartes and his communist friends love to contemplate the wonders of a communist utopia because they want to be part of some "movement" against the capitalist "system" that is obviously pegged against the poor. They jizz their pants at the mere thought of a post-soviet state under control of the venerated Vlad. If Russia invaded and occupied the Ukraine and Baltics, Andartes would probably go into cardiac arrest, then wake up and help Vlad fight the evil westerners.

Why can't we just accept that every society, every country, must put its own interests first. Russia can do what it wants, but the West will respond by defending its own interests, too. The West is obviously more powerful than Russia, and it will leverage this power imbalance to its advantage. Nothing wrong with this. Until Vladimir Putin exits office and a new, more liberal leader takes his place, there will be perpetual conflict between the East and West.

Scritto da Tribune Aquila, 02.08.2019 at 03:56

Here's a simple principle: every sovereign nation puts its own interests first. Andartes and his communist friends love to contemplate the wonders of a communist utopia because they want to be part of some "movement" against the capitalist "system" that is obviously pegged against the poor. They jizz their pants at the mere thought of a post-soviet state under control of the venerated Vlad. If Russia invaded and occupied the Ukraine and Baltics, Andartes would probably go into cardiac arrest, then wake up and help Vlad fight the evil westerners.

Why can't we just accept that every society, every country, must put its own interests first. Russia can do what it wants, but the West will respond by defending its own interests, too. The West is obviously more powerful than Russia, and it will leverage this power imbalance to its advantage. Nothing wrong with this. Until Vladimir Putin exits office and a new, more liberal leader takes his place, there will be perpetual conflict between the East and West.

Russia is very nice and flat, perfect terrain for a land invasion.

Scritto da Rasp, 02.08.2019 at 03:34

Scritto da Your Monkey, 01.08.2019 at 17:18

USA broke a Nato promise by expanding to Eastern Europe. Russia isnt aggressor in this sitation.

How many times a day do you get indoctrinated by Russian propaganda? I do only read positive reactions from Andartes and you about Russian movements..

If you are not Russophobe you are victim of Russian propaganda.

Scritto da Tribune Aquila, 02.08.2019 at 03:56

If Russia invaded and occupied the Ukraine and Baltics

impossible to capture Lithuania.

Scritto da Rasp, 02.08.2019 at 03:34

Scritto da Your Monkey, 01.08.2019 at 17:18

USA broke a Nato promise by expanding to Eastern Europe. Russia isnt aggressor in this sitation.

How many times a day do you get indoctrinated by Russian propaganda? I do only read positive reactions from Andartes and you about Russian movements..

No disrespect, but there is no point continuing conversation with you if you lack basic geopolitical and political historical information, your willingness to participate is to be commended though.

I will not post here something so basic, but if you are really interested, just use google and search for 'NATO eastward expansion, broken promise'. When you return and have more questions, i will gladly try to answer them, but please do so without being arrogant or rude towards opponent in debate.

Scritto da Tribune Aquila, 02.08.2019 at 03:56

Here's a simple principle: every sovereign nation puts its own interests first.

Incorrect, every sovereign nation puts its own survival first, only USA puts its interest since Cold War ended. It is different term to justify policing the world. Like 'Our interests are threatened in the Middle East', despite middle east not being possible to threat survival of United States.

Scritto da Tribune Aquila, 02.08.2019 at 03:56

Andartes and his communist friends love to contemplate the wonders of a communist utopia

I am not a communist, that's 20th century label, i live in 21st century. So no, me and my friends do not dream about 20th century utopia. You are hitting a strawman now.

Scritto da Tribune Aquila, 02.08.2019 at 03:56

because they want to be part of some "movement" against the capitalist "system" that is obviously pegged against the poor.

Sorry to dissapoint you, but no 'movements' here East, few NGOs and that's it. We leave feminism, leftism, right-wing, and other movements that separate people to you.

Scritto da Tribune Aquila, 02.08.2019 at 03:56

They jizz their pants at the mere thought of a post-soviet state under control of the venerated Vlad.

Vlad is short for Vladislav/Vladislaus, Volodya is for Vladimir, thanks for showing your ignorance and falling for western propaganda that aims for portraiting names as darker as symbolism of person's personality

I leave 'jizzing' to you, teenagers.

Scritto da Tribune Aquila, 02.08.2019 at 03:56

If Russia invaded and occupied the Ukraine and Baltics, Andartes would probably go into cardiac arrest, then wake up and help Vlad fight the evil westerners.

You again fall for western propaganda telling people that ebil vlad is invading Baltic, which is really disturbing because nothing is going on there. Maybe West is preparing something? Those poor people can't catch a break.

Scritto da Tribune Aquila, 02.08.2019 at 03:56

Why can't we just accept that every society, every country, must put its own interests first. Russia can do what it wants, but the West will respond by defending its own interests, too.

As long Western interest is to exploit Russian resources there can be no long-term peace while nuclear apocalypse looms upon the whole world.

Scritto da Tribune Aquila, 02.08.2019 at 03:56

The West is obviously more powerful than Russia, and it will leverage this power imbalance to its advantage.

No it isn't, West is more divided than ever, Russia can pick them one by one in the (second) worst scenario. This is false sense of superiority that gives West illusion of advantage and risk all life on earth by starting the third world war wishing for quick victory.

Scritto da Tribune Aquila, 02.08.2019 at 03:56

Nothing wrong with this. Until Vladimir Putin exits office and a new, more liberal leader takes his place, there will be perpetual conflict between the East and West.

Liberal leader? haha so globalists won't back down until they install their own puppet in Russia who will let them use Siberian resources without paying for it? Nice to end your argument that way!

Also nice to know that West will not rest until they fullfill their interest, ignoring the fact that Russia is capitalist and democratic now.

Prime Minister Hashim Thaçi (left), U.S. Vice President Joe Biden (centre) and President Fatmir Sejdiu (right) with Kosovo Declaration of Independence, 2009


The United States and Kosovo established diplomatic relations on February 18, 2008. U.S. President George W. Bush on February 19, 2008 stated that recognizing Kosovo as an independent nation would "bring peace to a region scarred by war".The bilateral ties the United States shares with Kosovo are maintained through the U.S. Embassy in Pristina, which was opened on April 8, 2008 by then-Chargé d'Affaires ad interim Tina Kaidanow. Prior to the declaration of independence, the United States maintained U.S. Office Pristina (USOP), with a chief of mission. The US also continues to contribute troops to the Kosovo Force (KFOR), and will be providing staff to the ICO and EULEX missions.

US President Joe Biden on Sunday urged Serbia to recognize Kosovo in a letter to Aleksandar Vucic, the country's president.

"We remain steadfast in our support for Serbia's goal of European integration and encourage you to continue taking the hard steps forward to reach that aim - including instituting necessary reforms and reaching a comprehensive normalization agreement with Kosovo centered on mutual recognition," he wrote in the letter in relation to Statehood Day of Serbia, which is on Feb. 15.

Reacting to the message, Vucic said Serbia is ready to continue dialogue with Kosovo, but it will not recognize it.




"The United States does not and will never recognize Russia's purported annexation of the peninsula, and we will stand with Ukraine against Russia's aggressive acts. We will continue to work to hold Russia accountable for its abuses and aggression in Ukraine," Biden said.

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Scritto da avatar, 26.02.2021 at 11:14

Prime Minister Hashim Thaçi (left), U.S. Vice President Joe Biden (centre) and President Fatmir Sejdiu (right) with Kosovo Declaration of Independence, 2009


The United States and Kosovo established diplomatic relations on February 18, 2008. U.S. President George W. Bush on February 19, 2008 stated that recognizing Kosovo as an independent nation would "bring peace to a region scarred by war".The bilateral ties the United States shares with Kosovo are maintained through the U.S. Embassy in Pristina, which was opened on April 8, 2008 by then-Chargé d'Affaires ad interim Tina Kaidanow. Prior to the declaration of independence, the United States maintained U.S. Office Pristina (USOP), with a chief of mission. The US also continues to contribute troops to the Kosovo Force (KFOR), and will be providing staff to the ICO and EULEX missions.

US President Joe Biden on Sunday urged Serbia to recognize Kosovo in a letter to Aleksandar Vucic, the country's president.

"We remain steadfast in our support for Serbia's goal of European integration and encourage you to continue taking the hard steps forward to reach that aim - including instituting necessary reforms and reaching a comprehensive normalization agreement with Kosovo centered on mutual recognition," he wrote in the letter in relation to Statehood Day of Serbia, which is on Feb. 15.

Reacting to the message, Vucic said Serbia is ready to continue dialogue with Kosovo, but it will not recognize it.




"The United States does not and will never recognize Russia's purported annexation of the peninsula, and we will stand with Ukraine against Russia's aggressive acts. We will continue to work to hold Russia accountable for its abuses and aggression in Ukraine," Biden said.

garbage post, just like your life.

Your poor brainwashed brain cant process this post
and you start with insults xd

i'm living the american dream in middle of the balkan



democrats politics will destroy usa and west eu.

East >West

the times have changed

Trump won the 2020 president elections
But ty to electronic fake votes USA now have Hybrid regime they will start new wars soon .


#prayforusa
First covid now hybrid regime
Only Trump can save America